Can Religion Be Explained Without God?
by Robert Lawrence Kuhn (2/11/11 9:40 am)
I want to believe in God, but “religion” stops me. I hope God has less to do with religion, and religion with God, than we usually think.
Some claim that religion needs nothing supernatural, that religion, without God, can form and flourish. To others, the claim is blasphemous: God exists and religion is God’s revelation. All agree that religion affects humanity profoundly.
Why is religion a force so powerful? Even those who believe in God should understand how personal psychology and group sociology drive religion.
Philosopher Daniel Dennett’s book Breaking The Spell describes religion as a “natural phenomenon.” No one naturalizes religion better than Dennett, who defines it succinctly as “belief in a supernatural agent or agents whose approval is to be sought.” He suggests that, “the question of whether God exists is actually of less importance to the modern world than maybe it once was.”
Dennett encourages us “to think not just historically, but biologically or evolutionarily.” He says, “We have to realize that Homo sapiens—us—descended from earlier hominids; we share a common ancestry with chimpanzees going back about 6 million years. Can we see what religion adds to the mix that makes us so different from all other animals?”
He thinks that we can. “I think we can discern religion's origins in superstition, which grew out of an overactive adoption of the intentional stance,” he says. “This is a mammalian feature that we share with, say, dogs. If your dog hears the thud of snow falling off the roof and jumps up and barks, the dog is in effect asking, ‘Who’s there?’ not, ‘What’s that?’ The dog is assuming there’s an agent causing the thud. It might be a dangerous agent. The assumption is that when something surprising, unexpected, puzzling happens, treat it as an agent until you learn otherwise. That’s the intentional stance. It’s instinctive.”
The intentional stance is appropriate for self-protection, Dennett explains, and “it’s on a hair trigger. You can’t afford to wait around. You want to have a lot of false positive, a lot of false alarms [because you can’t afford even one false negative!]”
He continues: “Now, the dog just goes back to sleep after a minute. But we, because we have language, we mull it over in our heads and pretty soon we’ve conjured up a hallucinated agent, say, a little forest god or a talking tree or an elf or something ghostly that made that noise. Generally, those are just harmless little quirks that we soon forget. But every now and then, one comes along that has a little bit more staying power. It’s sort of unforgettable. And so it grows. And we share it with a neighbor. And the neighbor says, ‘What do you mean, a talking tree? There’s no talking trees.’ And you say, ‘I could have sworn that tree was talking.’ Pretty soon, the whole village is talking about the talking tree. The talking tree idea has entered the world. It has made multiple copies of itself. Everyone in the village has a copy of the talking tree idea. What’s it for? It’s for itself. It just happened because it could. It’s like a virus.”
He goes on: “When I first started studying religion, people said, ‘Oh, an evolutionary account of religion. What do you think religions are good for, Dan? They’ve got to be good for something [for evolution to have selected it for propagation]. After all, every human group that’s ever been studied has some kind of religion.’ And I said, ‘Every group that’s ever been studied has the common cold, too. What’s it good for? It’s good for itself. Similarly, these ideas are just good for themselves. They’re good at reproducing in minds.’ They start out, as it were, as wild superstitions that happen just because they can. They enter through cracks in our cognitive machinery. Then, they’re around; they can be used. People begin appreciating them; people begin to use them for other purposes—and now we’re on our way to organized religion. And the ones that we see today, the ones which have the big budgets and the big churches, the musical histories and all the rest, those are the hardy survivors of a very large competition.”
Dennett says that, “If we think about all the features of religions from an evolutionary point of view. we see lots of ‘design’ features that are otherwise a bit baffling. Were they consciously, deliberately designed by clever priests? For the most part, no. It’s just that the religions that happen to have this ‘mutation’ did better than the religions that didn’t. And so they were better able to spread themselves.”
To Dennett, religion is explainable by modern methods of social science. And there’s no residual, nothing left hanging: There’s no need, or room, for God.
I like his arguments; I buy them all. But still I wonder: Even if religion as we know it, particularly organized religion, is entirely of human origin, does it then follow that there is no God?
I speak with a theologian who appreciates religion as a social construct, but also believes in God. J. Wentzel van Huystteen, an expert on “theological anthropology,” seeks ancient origins of religion. The core of religion, he says, is “how to make sense of our own vulnerability of death and suffering,” and religion provides “great incentives for ethical behavior … in spite of the many harms it has done.”
To van Huyssteen, “God is always going to be a deeply personal commitment.” He agrees that “we can make strong scientific arguments why religion can function perfectly well without God” and that “for getting God back into the picture, science is not going to be helpful.” He is “deeply impressed and overwhelmed by science,” he says, “but at the same time, do I need to accept that empirical methodology should always have the absolute last word in explaining away religion? Science has no reach beyond the empiricism that it itself professes.”
This is indeed the core issue: In seeking ultimate truth, can we ever be epistemically justified in going beyond empiricism?
Van Huyssteen argues that “a very clear commitment to religious traditions and to the kind of God or gods that we believe in is not something that ordinary science, such as evolutionary psychology, can explain to me.”
On the other hand, he does not argue that “the more we find religion, the more likely for God to exist.” He admits that even though “our ancient ancestors had a clear sense of symbolic activity, ritual, religious faith,” this is not a good argument for the existence of God. Similarly, he says “people today, the world over, are still religious, and this too is not a good argument for God”—“but it is an argument for what it is that we humans, or most of us, feel we need,” he adds. He then says, “I’m willing to prune back all kinds of excessive or extravagant beliefs, but I don’t think this goes to the heart of the spiritual sense, which I find to be so important for many people.”
Van Huyssteen agrees with Dennett that religious belief is a natural and continuing human need. But they part ways in that van Huyssteen gives credence to the content of that belief, which, at its core, is a deeply personal connection to the divine. But to do so, he must reach beyond empiricism, venture beyond science.
To psychologist Susan Blackmore, that’s an egregious error. She is an expert on how certain cultural ideas, called “memes,” can grow and propagate and take hold of people’s minds. She proffers that religion originated with early cultures wanting control over an uncontrollable world. “Our ancestors invented spirits,” she says, “to explain the weather or certain events. That’s the ground of it all, and at some point, there were competing ideas about God—competing memes (which is any information that’s copied from person to person). The idea is to treat cultural products like biological products, all of them in competition. Take songs and jokes and playground games and clothes: The ones we know are the ones that won the competition.”
She continues: “Religions are like that too. They compete to infect people’s brains and thus propagate into more people. What makes a successful religion? Originally, perhaps, one that seemed to bring the rain. But at some point, we started some major religions which evolved to have some really, really nasty tricks. So if you look at the major religions on the planet today, particularly the Judeo-Christian traditions, you see the most incredibly well-evolved complexes of memes that hang out together.”
Blackmore takes Christianity’s story of Jesus, from virgin birth to resurrection from the dead, as an example of “intrinsically unbelievable things.” Why do people go around believing these things, then? The “very clever packaging,” she answers, which is “basically a ‘copy me’ instruction backed up with threats and promises. If you’re a Catholic, you have to learn the catechism all at once. You put on your white dress, you attend the ceremonies, keep the traditions. This discourages people from picking and choosing because once you start to pick and choose, then memes loose their power. If ordinary rationality enters, these things look ludicrous, don’t they?”
Blackmore continues: “You are infected with these ideas when very young, when you have almost no mental immunity, no skills of argument—and it’s heaven if you believe and pass on these ideas to other people, and it’s the hell of toasting forks and pits of sulfur if you don’t. It’s the same in Islam: If you die propagating these memes, you’ll get so many virgins (I don’t know what women get).”
She explains that, “religious memes are very infectious. There’s room for only one per brain because it encompasses and regulates so much of one’s life. It takes over a whole lot of jobs in your brain—giving you meaning in life, a reason to get up in the morning, a social life. Once you understand how the memes of religion work, you can see the awful affects they have on people and how difficult they are to get rid of.” She concludes with her hope: “Wouldn’t it be nice if we could just let go of believing in those daft things?”
Blackmore sees religion as almost all bad—founded on false, silly promises and empty, vile threats. But because it is empowered by memes—these infectious, parasitic ideas that lock minds and control belief—religion can commandeer belief systems, institutionalize itself, and jump generations.
To explain religion without God, memes are crucial, so I’ll put them to the test. Because memes are analogized to viruses, I speak with Denis Alexander, a biologist and a believer. How does he defend religion against the explanatory onslaught of memes?
“The meme metaphor has no substrate,” Alexander says. “We don’t actually absorb ideas, especially complex ideas, as a sort or viral invasion of our brains. The anti-religious rhetoric of the memologists seems kind of like medieval ideas of demonology when people kept their windows closed for fear that demons would come in, infect their brain, and do terrible things to them without their knowing. But in reality, we have beliefs that we have to justify, that we have to give reasons for. And that’s why the memes rhetoric doesn’t work for me.”
Alexander admits that religion does fulfill psychological and sociological needs. “We are social animals,” he says. “When a bunch of skeptics and atheists get together to listen to a well-known speaker supporting their skepticism and their atheism, they’ll have group cohesion, they’ll feel good about it, they depart with their belief supported, they feel happier—their atheism has been nurtured by the group. It’s the same when football fans go to a football match. And when people go to church, the same processes are going on. But so what? At the end of the day, none of that tells us about the true status of what’s really going on.”
So whereas religion can be explained without God, the question is: Even though you are explaining it, could there still be a fundamental reality to it?
“All we can do is to give descriptions,” Alexander says. “We, as scientists, can measure the brainwaves of religious believers, but that doesn’t tell us whether those beliefs are actually true or not. We could do similarly with scientists. We could hook them up, observe their brainwaves, but that wouldn’t tell us whether their scientific theories are true. Truth is based on different kinds of evidence, whether for scientists or religious believers.”
A Christian and a scientist, Alexander agrees that the methods of science can analyze the activities of religion, but disagrees that the findings of science can adjudicate the reality of religion.
As for me, I respect the clarity of categories, differentiating religious behaviors from transcendent truths. But this internal consistency, which generally I like, here shields religion from any assault, making religion impossible to challenge. That I don’t like. Anything impervious to scrutiny troubles me. So in my anxiety, I turn to my favorite skeptic.
Michael Shermer is an expert on belief systems. “Religion is a social institution,” he says. “It can be explained like any other social institution, political institution, or economic institution. It's just in that same category. You can believe that and still believe in God.”
He continues: “Where it gets interesting is to examine the reason for religion. What purpose does it serve? Here’s where we begin to see human construction, not only of religion, but of gods. To me, there's just overwhelming evidence that humans constructed all of this, religion and God, as a belief system. Humans have what I call a ‘belief engine’—modules in the brain whose function it is to find causal connections between things in the environment. It's called learning. Everybody does it. You have to do it to survive. All animals do it. We do it spectacularly well.”
But, he says, “not perfectly well. We are pattern-seeking animals; for example, keeping track of when migrating herds were going to return next year and when the fruit was going to be ripe. Those are patterns that help us survive. However, we also sometimes find patterns that don't really exist. These are sort of false positives, superstitions. Maybe I believe that if I twirl around three times clockwise and twice counterclockwise, the rain gods will spare us the lightning. So a tendency toward superstition—‘magical thinking,’ we call it—is part of the baggage of being a pattern-seeking animal.”
I ask Shermer why, as science expands and religion contracts in their respective capacities to explain the world, the power of religion is still strong.
“Because the primary function of religion is not to explain the natural world,” he answers. “It is mainly a social institution. People don't go to churches, temples, or mosques to hear a lecture about the big bang. They go for some other reason—for family, society, social group, often to hear a message of inspiration about helping other people, doing the right thing, avoiding sin, and so on.”
As for the future of religion, Shermer worries about “the negative side of religion and its intermixing with politics and social policy.” He says: “I don't care what gods people believe in. I'm happy for them if that makes them happy.”
“In a patronizing way?” I ask my friend.
“No. In a respectful way,” he answers. “Because, ultimately, I can't prove that my beliefs are absolutely true either. So, hey, you believe what you believe, I believe what I believe, let's go our separate ways, and can't we all get along.”
Go 10,000 years into the future, or 100,000 years. Assuming humans are reasonably similar, does Shermer see religion still existing in something akin to its current form?
“Yes, probably so,” he responds. “My secular humanist friends would disagree with me and say, ‘Oh, no! Someday we'll move beyond religion.’ Yeah, well, maybe. But it sure doesn't look that way. The trend is going in the opposite direction.”
Here’s my take. Religion, all of it, can be explained without God; nothing supernatural is needed. I’ve not much doubt about this. To account for religious beliefs and behaviors, even those who believe in God should accept this demonstrable truth.
While arguments about God are philosophical and cosmological, those about religion are biological, psychological, and sociological. Thus, the methods of science can analyze religion.
But is there residue? After doing all the science, does anything religious remain? This is the ultimate crux of the matter.
Frankly, I can hope but I don’t know. But this I do know: Even after explaining religion without God, nothing follows regarding the potential existence of an actual God. No analysis of human religion can ever disconfirm a supreme being.
Conversely, anyone hoping to convince me that God exists should not hold up “religions of the world” as an affirmative argument. For me, institutional religion offers scant help for coming closer to truth.
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lubov11971 wrote:
Dear Dr. Kuhn,
Religion is not a natural phenomenon; it must be taught, it must be learned. No one is born knowing of religion...which is ABOUT God, not a direct relationship WITH God. We are the only (sentient) creatures designed to have mystical experiences (epiphany, enlightenment, etc.).
We have six senses. Of these, only the sixth sense, our intuition, is designed to detect our spiritual origins. These must be felt, not deduced by the intellect. If we accept five valid senses, we are obliged to accept our sixth. Our spiritual roots are NOT detectable by our five other senses. Using your mind to detect and analyze spirit is as valuable as using your elbow to watch a movie.
No disrespect to Hawking or Dalkins but there are three choices, not two - Religion, Atheism and Spirituality and, they are not interchangeable. Spirituality is direct, and personal and natural. A spiritual enlightenment, awakening, epiphany are the basis for forming a religion if one wishes. But, enlightenment exists with or without religion, whereas religion needs at least one person's awakening for its existence.
Religion is ritual and ceremony; not bad, but not spirituality. Spirituality is the Zen in Zen Buddhism. Please see my "Apples & Oranges" article is Yahoo Voices or my blogsite: Spiritshare.net.
Thank you and keep up your wonderful work in closertotruth.
Be well,
Don Lubov
Posted 2:27 PM / February 13, 2012
jam2001 wrote:
What I find interesting about the premise of this thread is its devotion to science as a religion. Science has learned from religion the skill and need to teach its followers to not ask anymore questions. Whether it be Dennet's dog or the discussion of meme's, the goal seems to be,believe the analogy I have made is more than an analogy and don't think any further.
Asking if religion can be expained without God is attempting to reason backwards in causality to an effect without a cause. This is now the dogma of science. We should accept that there was a bang without a cause that can be understood, so keep your mouth shut. Well I don't. If religious people should accept their limitations so should scientists. Science refuses to accept that their inability to understand before the bang is a bigger problem for them than it is for religion. Reasoning from only the bang infers that every theory that comes afterwards is likely built on sand.
Dennet's dog does not ask who made a noise because it lacks the ability to reason further, I do have that ability and the ability to know when a question is still unanswered. Religion without God does not affirm meta-cognition as the fullness of the godhead. It is stating that because my potential for knowledge is unlimited I need not inquire further.
Posted 2:10 PM / February 13, 2012
Archie wrote:
Find the end of Kuhn’s conversation with Denis Alexander (above). This is where I discover some difficulties. Alexander says: “Truth is based on different kinds of evidence, whether for scientists or religious believers.” What does this mean? (1) Science and religious belief apply different standards for what counts as evidence? or (2) There is a single standard for what counts as evidence, and it transcends both religious belief and science?
First, as a Constructive Sceptic, I don't think the terms “true”, “truth”, and “the truth” belong in intellectual discourse at all. At best, we might be able to use them negatively, as in: “The witness didn't tell the court the whole truth.” However I'll substitute for Alexander’s word “truth” the technical expression, “ideas currently understood as least likely to be false” - so that we can consider his statement. (“Truth” is what is left over after we have eliminated all the ideas that are most likely to be false.)
If somebody claims to have had (at least once) “an experience of the divine”, we should understand that for this individual the “divine” is real, and this experience was real. The experience counts as evidence, but it’s personal evidence, of value to the individual but of no use to anyone else, unless the individual is able to communicate this experience. So if you say that “J.S. Bach communicates an experience of the divine in his ‘St Matthew Passion’,” that’s fair enough. You might even claim that listening to this music can to some extent replicate the experience of the divine in a listener. But this replication does not make it science.
Stephen Jay Gould addressed this problem with his concept of science and religion as “non-overlapping magisteria” (NOMA). If you can keep “scientific evidence” and “faith evidence” in separate compartments in your mind, you should have no difficulty in being both a scientist and a religious believer. But a “single standard for what counts as evidence, that transcends both religious belief and science” is a contradiction. Denis Alexander quite correctly says that the findings of science cannot adjudicate the reality of religion. This is because the latter is a different kind of reality, a subjective reality rather than what we loosely call “objective”. And of course it is a dreadful mistake to consider that the experience of religion can adjudicate the reality of science.
Robert Lawrence Kuhn is not the first thinker to experience discomfort with NOMA. Couldn’t there be just a little itty-bitty overlap, some indication that science and religion legitimately occupy the same planet, the same “mind of humanity”? And, more broadly, can’t we find some common ground between philosophy and religion, or between philosophy and science? He says, “Anything impervious to scrutiny troubles me.” The real question is: “What kind of scrutiny should we apply to religion?” The same kind of scrutiny that a scientist applies to the supposed evidence of experiment, observation, measurement, logic and calculation? Emphatically not.
A couple of paragraphs later Kuhn expresses the problem in a different way. “As for me, I respect the clarity of categories, differentiating religious behaviors from transcendent truths.” His term “transcendent truths” is incoherent, and the “clarity of categories” is illusory. The “problem of category” was created by Aristotle, investigated by Kant and Boole, and finally pronounced on by Godel. If I’m going to put things into categories (or into sets on a Venn diagram), I’ll need to have “somewhere outside to stand”. From this (real or imagined) vantage-point, I can decide that a crocodile is a reptile and a whale is a mammal and so on.
But what happens when the object becomes the subject? - for instance: Where in the animal kingdom are we going to put human beings? Biologists, conveniently stepping onto a viewing platform constructed by Charles Darwin, blithely classify humans as primates, smartened-up apes. But for many religious believers, this is unacceptable - humans have to be a “special creation”, not an animal species sharing with chimpanzees some ancient ancestor. Eventually, as Godel showed, we reach a point where we cannot create a “category of all the categories” or a “set of all the sets”. There will be (or there could be) some “formally undecidable elements”; or more correctly, we will not be able to prove that that there are no undecidables.
And so we come to the problem of Kuhn’s “transcendent truths”. In metaphysics, the “transcendent” comprises all “beyond-things”, i.e. concepts that cannot be categorised by any of the mechanisms that we use for categorising “things”, notions that cannot be described by any of the language that we use for description. In fact the whole idea of the “transcendent” may be just an anomalous waste product of the human mind. There is no viewing platform from which we can make meaningful comparisons between the transcendent and the non-transcendent. “Truths” concerning the transcendent are therefore non-existent entities.
But let us assume that Kuhn is using “transcendent” in the domestic sense (not the metaphysical sense), as meaning a “set of the sets”, a criterion of the criteria, a metacategory in which we can locate both religious truths and scientific truths. “As for me, I respect the clarity of categories, differentiating religious behaviors from transcendent truths.”
As I’ve already pointed out, this “metacategory” doesn't exist. We are stuck with the dualism of Descartes, whether we like it or not. It comes down to personal taste, to where your heart is: Which do you find more attractive, the “spiritual” or the “scientific”? Or can you keep them both in a sort of balance, in two compartments of your mind?
Posted 4:32 PM / February 08, 2012
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